tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post3092254085413698140..comments2023-11-29T15:58:33.019+07:00Comments on MULTIBRAND: Natural Disasters & ImmoralityAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-23772640922824606902009-12-02T21:37:10.497+07:002009-12-02T21:37:10.497+07:00Rob,
Okay I've got your point, I think that o...Rob,<br /><br />Okay I've got your point, I think that our thoughts are basically the same.<br /><br />PS: I haven't been speaking French for quite a while, so it slipped out of my mouth (LOL)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-79479095556601621592009-12-02T17:42:08.752+07:002009-12-02T17:42:08.752+07:00Harry...
If you are referring to my reply to Edwi...Harry...<br /><br />If you are referring to my reply to Edwin, then you are misreading what has been said. I am more than happy for Edwin to hold whatever opinion that he believes in and believes to be right.<br /><br />I am merely looking to engage in debate as to the "cause and effect" and explore the rationale behind claiming that the divine might choose one place in preference to another, particularly when there are seemingly other more immoral places in Indonesia.<br /><br />Practicing your French?Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-16402453244109893532009-12-01T20:59:44.488+07:002009-12-01T20:59:44.488+07:00@Edwin,
I hope you are not implying that what hap...@Edwin,<br /><br />I hope you are not implying that what happened in Padang & Aceh was caused by 'immoral' behaviors of the people in those provinces? <br />I hope not because I thought, in a way, they are more devoted to Islam compared to other provinces, e.g. Aceh is a.k.a Serambi Mekah.<br /><br /><br />@Rob,<br /><br />We both agreed that in a democratic society people should be allowed to express opinions freely. And those who do not agree should also be allowed to express their objections freely, n'est pas?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-71467543554113043092009-12-01T20:27:19.532+07:002009-12-01T20:27:19.532+07:00@ Edwin...
Really, it is cause and effect? Then w...@ Edwin...<br /><br />Really, it is cause and effect? Then why have places like Banda Aceh been flattened by a tsunami and Padang crushed by an earthquake while places like Jakarta survive relatively unscathed?<br /><br />If it was simple cause and effect, then wouldn't it be true that Jakarta gives more cause to the divine to intervene with an effect?<br /><br />Just a thought seeing one need not explain the logic.Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-88430794471300325332009-12-01T16:50:04.466+07:002009-12-01T16:50:04.466+07:00Immorality exactly has something to do with disast...Immorality exactly has something to do with disasters. It's a cause-and-effect matter. No need to convey the logic since it's a divine explanation...Edwin's Personal Bloghttp://www.sectoredwin.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-64395561150870206192009-12-01T16:14:19.256+07:002009-12-01T16:14:19.256+07:00Rob,
Yes, you are very right.
But I am not sure w...Rob,<br /><br />Yes, you are very right.<br />But I am not sure whether the majority of people in Indonesia feel the same way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-78850720650760520992009-12-01T13:37:42.440+07:002009-12-01T13:37:42.440+07:00Harry...
That is my point. He is free to express ...Harry...<br /><br />That is my point. He is free to express his opinions and views, insensitive as they may well be in the surroundings that they were made, but similarly you are free to express your disagreement.<br /><br />Voltaire once said something along the lines of, I might not agree with what you say but I would die to protect your right to say it...<br /><br />That is the point, is it not?Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-25712250006538698942009-12-01T08:49:07.728+07:002009-12-01T08:49:07.728+07:00Rob,
The problem is that his statement was made i...Rob,<br /><br />The problem is that his statement was made in front of people in Padang who recently suffered from the effect of earthquake. <br />Its like saying that victims of natural disasters, like in West Sumatera and Aceh, are immoral therefore they suffered.<br /><br />People who do not agree with his statement should be free to express their objections.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-46834417310871327652009-11-30T17:54:25.715+07:002009-11-30T17:54:25.715+07:00Harry...
He is free to hold those opinions and ex...Harry...<br /><br />He is free to hold those opinions and express them in an open and democratic Indonesia, isn't he?<br /><br />He would have the right to discuss these ideas and beliefs in public, wouldn't he?<br /><br />And, then it is up to the public to decide whether what he has to say is legitimate or not. Besides there is no law that says you cannot disagree with the Minister of Communications and Information is there? So, if you disagree then shout your disagreement from wherever you can :DRob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-79696113841473757352009-11-30T11:32:45.905+07:002009-11-30T11:32:45.905+07:00Rob,
It's possible and personally he has the ...Rob,<br /><br />It's possible and personally he has the right to say and share it with members of his political party or religious gatherings. But it would be different if he spread it to the general public & try to make others think the same way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-41976261035602903092009-11-30T10:46:06.968+07:002009-11-30T10:46:06.968+07:00Or maybe he really believes that the reason for na...Or maybe he really believes that the reason for natural disasters is that some Indonesians are heading down an immoral path and this is God's way of getting them back onto the path of righteousness.Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-20142133474605032612009-11-30T08:55:10.489+07:002009-11-30T08:55:10.489+07:00Duckham,
I agree with you.
If the words come fro...Duckham,<br /><br />I agree with you. <br />If the words come from a common man it can be understandable.<br />Maybe it's because that he's just taken the ministerial post for one month.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-61651813068137512612009-11-30T06:30:25.720+07:002009-11-30T06:30:25.720+07:00That is the kind of comment that harms Indoneia...That is the kind of comment that harms Indoneia's efforts to be considered internationally as a modern culture based on fine traditions, tolerance and a use science. A rather thoughtless remark, I think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com