tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post1564175451570838695..comments2023-11-29T15:58:33.019+07:00Comments on MULTIBRAND: Indonesia and Malaysia Today (Part 2)Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-47745983377259674442010-09-04T10:04:45.744+07:002010-09-04T10:04:45.744+07:00Mr CandY,
Thank you for dropping by.Mr CandY,<br />Thank you for dropping by.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-40723415589334731142010-09-04T08:30:15.181+07:002010-09-04T08:30:15.181+07:00hihiMr.CandYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09405820905773747409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-78082086900075912552010-09-03T21:20:46.843+07:002010-09-03T21:20:46.843+07:00@Yari,
Although I believe that only few people in ...@Yari,<br />Although I believe that only few people in Indonesia are easily provoked, however we should consider Rima's mature, intelligent and critical analysis if we want to be respected as a nation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-22573926494962372452010-09-03T13:16:27.200+07:002010-09-03T13:16:27.200+07:00@Harry
Harry, sorry I did not notice your remark ...@<b>Harry</b><br /><br />Harry, sorry I did not notice your remark directed at me. How reckless I am. LOL.<br /><br />I agree with you Harry and indeed there is nothing wrong with armchair analysis, most bloggers do it, and so do I. However, if we would like to present a more crucial conclusion like "the majority of Indonesians are easily provoked" that requires data, it must be done in a more careful way because we do not want to mislead the readers, don't we??Yari NKhttp://spektrumku.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-15267017805508014622010-09-03T10:23:58.941+07:002010-09-03T10:23:58.941+07:00@rima
One doesn't have to do a research, just...@rima<br /><br /><i>One doesn't have to do a research, just keep his eyes open and read the news, observe and think.. </i><br /><br />_________________________________<br /><br />Yes it is true to a certain degree, however rough observation unfortunately is not free from bias, and it is not as accurate as thorough research especially in a case like this to decide on the share of the Indonesians being easily provoked.<br /><br />I did not say your armchair analysis is entirely worthless, some of it I admit is eye-opener. But the remark upon "the majority of Indonesians being easily provoked" that I don't agree on.<br /><br />However, it doesn't matter anymore, it is revealed that it is just your personal opinion not carried out on a thorough research. That's all I need to know because that's all it takes to draw a line between a fact and a personal opinion. Cut and dried. Cheers! :)Yari NKhttp://spektrumku.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-85027194396853981092010-09-03T00:15:29.118+07:002010-09-03T00:15:29.118+07:00@Yari,
For professional reporters, direct investig...@Yari,<br />For professional reporters, direct investigation is the rule of the thumb. But for most bloggers, who are amateur, it is different. Observation would suffice.<br /><br />@Rima,<br />A 'few' people in Indonesia is not small, let's say 10% would mean 25 million people (out of 250 mio).<br />But they are very vocal, thus most heard, therefore people think that they're dominant.<br />Further, politicians are using them to support their selfish agenda. So does our sensation loving news media.<br /><br />The important thing right now is to make the silent majority aware about what are really important for them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-14378119190714364382010-09-02T15:07:33.727+07:002010-09-02T15:07:33.727+07:00Harry: And what is a few? From firsthand experienc...Harry: And what is a few? From firsthand experiences in life when I was still living in Indonesia, from online debates in various forum and from what I read in Indonesian newspapers it is clear that we as a nation are more easily provoked than before. And like you said, politicians or some 'oknum tidak bertanggung jawab' are benefiting from this, more often, they are the ones who are doing all the provocations in the first place.<br /><br />Yari: One doesn't have to do a research, just keep his eyes open and read the news, observe and think. I lived in Indonesia for almost 20 years, and I follow what is happening there even now that I am thousands of miles away, and there is often news on how in this village or in that town or in this city people people are provoked and took matters or law into their own hands.<br />And remember when this Indonesia-Malaysia thing first came out and about? countless Indonesians lashed out whether by protests on the streets, sweeping Malaysian nationals and also online. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAID THAT THEY USED A BALI DANCE IN THEIR AD. It wasn't even and Ad made by Malaysians. Nobody did their homework, but used their 'otot' first. That is what we must stop doing, being hotheaded and easily provoked. We must be a nation of rational people who think first carefully and do our due diligence and then, only if necessary, we can lash out or attack. <br />Maybe I am wrong, but this is my 2 cents.rima fauzihttp://rimafauzi.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-65235299679206267432010-09-02T13:44:06.720+07:002010-09-02T13:44:06.720+07:00I strongly think that the majority of Indonesians ...<i>I strongly think that the majority of Indonesians are easily provoked. This might be the result of decades of oppression by Soeharto in which people were not able to speak up, and once they get the chance, they lash out every chance they get, they get angry every way they can and they attack without thinking.</i><br /><br />---------------------------------<br />Did you do the research firsthand or you just did an armchair research I wonder... ?? ;)Yari NKhttp://spektrumku.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-51586787588191650492010-09-01T21:21:05.268+07:002010-09-01T21:21:05.268+07:00Hi Rima,
Thank you very much for your clear commen...Hi Rima,<br />Thank you very much for your clear comment.<br />Actually only few Indonesians who were easily provoked. The problem is that every time a sensitive issue arise, politicians would take advantage of the situations. Moreover, the news media would do everything they can to 'blow' the issue so that people would want to read/watch/listen to their report. The government would benefit from high profile issues that would distract the attention of Indonesian who are mostly poor and lowly educated from their problems such as : rapidly increasing prices of basic commodities, electricity etc.<br />The oppositions would make these issues as basis for attacking govt policies. <br />While the people would not get anything except that they don't have to think about their own real problems.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-81404933609042279152010-09-01T15:38:03.060+07:002010-09-01T15:38:03.060+07:00I strongly think that the majority of Indonesians ...I strongly think that the majority of Indonesians are easily provoked. This might be the result of decades of oppression by Soeharto in which people were not able to speak up, and once they get the chance, they lash out every chance they get, they get angry every way they can and they attack without thinking. <br />This can be therapeutic and might be good for a year or two, just for everybody to get their frustrations out of their systems. But the thing is, it's been prolonged, MUCH longer than it should, this has been a big problem for years, 12 years to be exact.<br />Gone is the Indonesia well known for its people's tolerance, politeness, welcoming attitude and in general our good and wholesome eastern values. <br />The Indonesia we know today cannot be separated from anarchy, intolerance, terrorism, radicalism, easily provoked and angry mob.<br />The saddest thing is that there are a lot of Indonesian who think that everything is all hunky dory and lovely in Indonesia. That is what scares me the most, people who are in self denial.<br />Yet I cannot lose hope and faith that someday my country and its people will go back to the way they were, beautiful, friendly and tolerant..<br /><br />Harry, thanks for posting my article on your site, much appreciated! :)rima fauzihttp://rimafauzi.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-84224606975617756952010-08-29T21:24:28.932+07:002010-08-29T21:24:28.932+07:00Hi Yari,
I agree that only few Indonesians, especi...Hi Yari,<br />I agree that only few Indonesians, especially certain politicians and their supporters, who speak much louder than others, were provoked by the news.<br />Nevertheless, let's be positive and consider Rima's article as a wake up call for us as silent majorityAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-69634067530385403092010-08-29T10:31:34.788+07:002010-08-29T10:31:34.788+07:00Harry, I think it is only a small fraction of Indo...Harry, I think it is only a small fraction of Indonesian people who are easily provoked. But that small fraction is widely covered by the media so as if it gave the impression that most Indonesians are easily provoked. The only bunch of people who is easily provoked are the politicians who seek popularity as we have all known for so long.<br /><br />So, I think the article is a bit hyperbolic, as you can see with your very own eyes, Harry, that you, me, your family, your friends, your neighbours are not easily provoked by the news. Cheers! :)Yari NKhttp://spektrumku.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-60704870857160662552010-08-28T21:08:21.171+07:002010-08-28T21:08:21.171+07:00@ASPemusik,
I wish that I can also say that
the p...@ASPemusik,<br />I wish that I can also say that <br />the post is just a sad joke.<br />Anyway I appreciate your comment,<br />thanks.<br /><br />@Peter/Kiwi,<br />Thank you for reminding me about the consequence of talking about the truth.<br /><br />@Edwin,<br />Differences among neighbors <br />are normal, therefore should <br />be settled amicably, and avoid violence, emotional acts.<br /><br />@Colson,<br />Rima's article was/is really good<br />that last year I have asked for her permission to wholly quote on my blog on she approved, but I only posted it yesterday.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-42346274938920821312010-08-28T13:57:22.809+07:002010-08-28T13:57:22.809+07:00It goes without saying Rima's article was/is a...It goes without saying Rima's article was/is a wonderful example of a critical but sound analysis, common sense and writer's talent.<br /><br />Crucial however is this question she asks: "Why are we easily provoked?". It is a question which has been puzzling me for quite a while now also.<br /><br />The answer may partly be "the yellow press" or "populist politicians". However in my opinion by far more interesting is what the other part(s) of the explanation could be.colsonhttp://www.pelopor.nlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-51860113142424945912010-08-28T11:53:59.920+07:002010-08-28T11:53:59.920+07:00so sorry with those neverending disputes. we'r...so sorry with those neverending disputes. we're neighbours with things in common anyway...Edwin's Personal Bloghttp://www.sectoredwin.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-84160712182620316792010-08-28T08:04:26.012+07:002010-08-28T08:04:26.012+07:00Thought provoking, honest and a mature analysis o...Thought provoking, honest and a mature analysis of your society.<br /><br /> Be careful my friend! Sometimes people cannot abide the truth.<br /><br /><br />peterAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952914908453937218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-77424868386606663842010-08-28T00:50:20.991+07:002010-08-28T00:50:20.991+07:00The sad joke
what would we say to children and gr...The sad joke<br /><br />what would we say to children and grandchildren ??ASPeMusikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17790593281027363322noreply@blogger.com