tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post1499440106868678909..comments2023-11-29T15:58:33.019+07:00Comments on MULTIBRAND: Papua Oh PapuaAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-72790573156840689052011-08-07T19:59:28.098+07:002011-08-07T19:59:28.098+07:00@Colson,
You reminded me of history.
Western New ...@Colson,<br /><br />You reminded me of history.<br />Western New Guniea was left out in the transfer of sovereignty in 1949 because the Dutch government refuse to do so and our government took it as a next step that would follow.<br /><br />In spite of the legitimacy that the UN has provide for us, I must admit that the central government had not treated both provinces properly. Otherwise they would not be as bad as they are now.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-82195718523586249372011-08-07T15:25:45.679+07:002011-08-07T15:25:45.679+07:00@ Harry: Yes, these facts are correct indeed. Like...@ Harry: Yes, these facts are correct indeed. Like I agree with the causes you mentioned for the problems now.<br /><br />However, what about the "false start"? It's complex, but I'll try to explain what I meant.<br /><br />In 1949 the colonial power officially transferred sovereignty of the Dutch East Indies to the new independent, sovereign ( btw: "federal") state. <br /><br />However "Nieuw Guinea"( = Papua) was left out.<br /><br />In the years between '49 and '61 -fuelled by Dutch revenge-policies - the Dutch put up a serious effort to build a sense of nationalism among the indigenous people. With some success.<br /><br />When after tough arm-twisting by the US (Robert Kennedy), the Dutch were obliged to give in to Indonesian demands in '61, a considerable part of Papuans already cherished nationalist and anti-Indonesian opinions. <br /><br />In comparison to most of the other parts of the archipelago in '45 - which cried Merdeka and did put up a tough fight to shed the yoke of colonialism - the small elite of the Papua population in '61 had a quite different destiny in mind than becoming part of Indonesia. <br /><br />(The '68 plebiscite took place in a - what many considered to be- occupied country. So some doubt about the results is possible).<br /><br />Java ( and other parts of the new state) cheered in '45 and '49, but Papua in '68 lacked sincere enthusiasm ( to put it mildly). That's what I meant with the 'false start".colsonhttp://www.pelopor.nlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-44365002309398580412011-08-07T11:48:43.081+07:002011-08-07T11:48:43.081+07:00@Colson,
False start as part of RI ?
I don't ...@Colson,<br />False start as part of RI ? <br />I don't get you, sorry.<br />The Western part of the Island of New Guinea was part of former Dutch East Indie colony. And as legal consequence of transfer of sovereignty from the Dutch government to Indonesia, the territory should become part of RI too. It was for that reason that the UN transferred administration to RI in 1961 and full sovereignty after plebiscite (act of free choice) in 1968.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-51527802020210576062011-08-07T04:49:28.338+07:002011-08-07T04:49:28.338+07:00The many reasons for bad governance you mentioned,...The many reasons for bad governance you mentioned, do apply to the situation indeed, as far as I can see. The provinces had a false start as part of the RI. On top of that Papua is geographically faraway and Papua people are psychologically faraway from central government. This periphery therefore is prone to trouble and hardship. <br /><br />Like you said: there is an urgent need for good governance. That is: a better standard of living for the indigenous people, fair treatment and justice and strict maintenance of integrity among the military, civil servants, officials and politicians.colsonhttp://www.pelopor.nlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-72386432565022523472011-08-06T23:54:07.809+07:002011-08-06T23:54:07.809+07:00@Triesti,
It is very sad what happened to Papua. S...@Triesti,<br />It is very sad what happened to Papua. Serious efforts must be made to eliminate corruption, poverty and injustice there.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33513300642419002.post-40729927556363680842011-08-06T23:14:53.446+07:002011-08-06T23:14:53.446+07:00Papua is one of the most corrupt Provinces in Indo...Papua is one of the most corrupt Provinces in Indonesia. I've never been there, all I know about the people is from people who deal with them... none of them are very positive. Not enough education, too much ego/emotion. That being said, my classmate back in the day from Papua is one of the sweetest people I know.triestihttp://osculate.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com